The ‘Me Mumbaikar’ Argument

Any email list that involves almost 400 people scattered around the world is bound to include an occasional crackpot; often to the amusement of others. To make it more interesting, if the email list comprises of opinionated bloggers then the exchange of thoughts can vary from downright reasonable to insanely crazy. The Collective Bloggers email list set up to counter the ban against Blogspot and Typepad in one such motley bunch and in the past week has hosted nearly 1500 email messages. The discussions have been largely civil and even insightful as people pooled their technological and legal know-how to counter a serious breach of civil liberties. Of course, once the blanket ban was lifted and the issue hovered around censorship of specific blogs, the collective opinion wavered a little. Once again, the difference of opinion remained civil.

Then out of the blue, came a crackpot Sunil Shibad who first attacked Neha for not having any locus standi on the blasts in Mumbai because she was in London. Apart from being an active ‘DesiPundit, Neha is known in the blogosphere widely for her activism and role in popularizing blogs. I dismissed it as yet another NRI-hater who was bitten by the green-eyed monster. Such people are often dismissive of individual choice or simply big-time hypocrites. Given an opportunity, they would leave the shores just as easily forgetting their earlier claims of ‘love for their motherland’. Otherwise they are simply unable to break away from the status quo and get temporary relief by berating those who have managed to avail of opportunities presented to them.

But this guy came back and hurled one insult after another indulging in ad hominem attacks after having no reasonable responses to the counter arguments offered by other bloggers. After a particularly scathing sarcastic response by Kiran, he latched on to that to garner sympathy. He proceeded to flood comment boxes everywhere by pasting Kiran’s statement out of context (Kiran’s response here) and calling upon people to defend their ‘city’. His argument — I live near Hinduja Hospital and having seen blast victims have a larger stake in Mumbai’s affairs than those who live abroad and merely coordinated the information dissemination post-blasts or post-cloudburst. He throws in the tag of being a Mumbaikar when clearly he doesn’t understand the spirit of the city, which we having lived away for a while now, haven’t yet forgotten. His arguments have gone from ridiculous to utterly loony after dragging in Capt. Kalia from the Kargil war to Siachen Glacier. If you have a good 30-40 minutes to spare, you should check out the entire thread here; there are couple of other threads where he has dropped his precious pearls of wisdom.

Now normally I would ignore such crackpots who have narrow view of the world around them. But something about this guy slurring the name of Mumbai by propagating lies just got me pissed (probably some good ol’ English beer might also be blamed). Now after having realized that simple logic and reason will not work with this dude, I am resorting to sarcasm which I am not sure he will understand. Other bloggers like Neha, Gaurav, and Dilip apart form Kiran of course have joined in blasting this guy. He has even played the ‘legal action’ card and invoked the Nazis.

Yup! Blog cat-fights can be such fun. And navel-gazing in the blogosphere is one of our favorite activities so please spare me the “I don’t think you should write on this” tripe. I am gonna enjoy this until I get bored. Join in if you want a little break.


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  • http://withinandwithout.com neha

    I remember doing a longish post on this here. (Sorry – not a plug!) :)

    But while it pissed me off – it completely reaffirmed how my faith in my reading of situations. In fact – I was mildly surprised how it hadn’t come about till then. I guess I need to get used to this line of attack by now – but sometimes the sheer verbal violence of it still takes time to get used to.

    See you – you evil NRI.

  • http://www.retributions.wordpress.com confused

    errrr

    Mot much fun comes. :(

    Where can I read the emails?

  • http://ipatrix.com Patrix

    Neha, any one who rants on us being NRIs seems to be missing something precious up there so I hardly waste time arguing with them but something about this Sunil guy pissed me off royally.

    Confused, I don’t believe you haven’t subscribed to the list yet. Go ahead..its open and free.

  • http://www.retributions.wordpress.com confused

    ”shamefaced”

    I stay away from such group sites because of my propensity to get into debates. :)

    Mistake rectified now. Thanks.

  • http://palscape.wordpress.com BongoPondit

    I had tried following that discussion – but gave up. Had a similar commenter on one of my post that kept harping on the NRI angle.

    Now if you really want an internet fight – follow the google-group rec.sport.cricket : asians versus white, bombay versus rest of indian cricketers and of course ganguly – its got it all.

  • bloghopper

    I got bored after a few posts and didnt read any further. However I did enjoy Kiran’s retort. Classic :)

  • http://www.just-here-and-now.blogspot.com uday

    like most, i could’nt get thruough with more than 5 mins of that stuff. checked his site too. i wish one could call his a radical point of view – unfortunately no. when an argument takes on into a personal attack on select few, u’d think the intentions are malicious. it’s a bit of fun too watching all the dogfight – an by getting into it, this chap’s got attention from everywhere – rightly or wrongly.!

  • http://www.mutiny.in Jacob

    I tried all the numbers he mentioned. No answer. He thinks I’m in Bangalore and warns me not to hack him. Talk about being paranoid.

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  • http://alkyron.livejournal.com Neel

    seriously, do some people just do the ‘reaction’ thing?

    remember watching some guy on NDTV do this one time…kept yelling and yelling about ‘reacting DECISIVELY to wipe out the ones responsible’….

    this guy on the GG was making SUCH a spectacle of himself! :)

  • http://newnimproved.blogspot.com Sunil

    Are you Kiran’s keeper?
    His minder? Is he a babe in the woods?
    As I am sure you well know, some Bangalore techies have a substantial vested interest in not having India seen as a politically unstable place; of course they are going to minimize the bombings. This is nothing but political hardball.
    Go on braying with your fellow bloggers and the Gaddha.
    It makes you look like an ass.
    Let me end with the cliche: Get a life!

    PS: Funny you should talk about your undying love for Mumbai from Texas.