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> <channel><title>Comments on: Not Treating Gandhi like God</title> <atom:link href="http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/</link> <description>Crossing Borders Crossing Cultures</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:20:00 -0500</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Patrix</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15571</link> <dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:49:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15571</guid> <description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15557&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sam&lt;/a&gt;: True. healthy discussion of Gandhi&#039;s strengths and flaws but I don&#039;t like the insults thrown at him for the sake of being seen as anti-Gandhi. I hope you aren&#039;t the latter.
And keep commenting. Makes me write more often :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a
href="#comment-15557" rel="nofollow">Sam</a>: True. healthy discussion of Gandhi&#8217;s strengths and flaws but I don&#8217;t like the insults thrown at him for the sake of being seen as anti-Gandhi. I hope you aren&#8217;t the latter.</p><p>And keep commenting. Makes me write more often :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sam</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15557</link> <dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:03:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15557</guid> <description>Couldn&#039;t stop myself from commenting on this post. I for one get scornful looks from people when I say anything about not treating Gandhi like GOD! I am glad you were brave enough to bring this up!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t stop myself from commenting on this post. I for one get scornful looks from people when I say anything about not treating Gandhi like GOD! I am glad you were brave enough to bring this up!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrix</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15427</link> <dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:54:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15427</guid> <description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15411&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Supremus&lt;/a&gt;: Honestly I don&#039;t know where you are leading to. But J Edgar Hoover had an entire dossier on MLK so you may not be the only one with the scoop :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a
href="#comment-15411" rel="nofollow">Supremus</a>: Honestly I don&#8217;t know where you are leading to. But J Edgar Hoover had an entire dossier on MLK so you may not be the only one with the scoop :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Amit</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15415</link> <dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 02:51:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15415</guid> <description>Supremus, you mean that MLK was a stud-muffin who knew how to party? ;)
Jealous? :D
Hey, maybe he got some ideas from Gandhi - after all, his non-violent and civil disobedience actions were inspired by Gandhi&#039;s methods.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supremus, you mean that MLK was a stud-muffin who knew how to party? ;)<br
/> Jealous? :D</p><p>Hey, maybe he got some ideas from Gandhi &#8211; after all, his non-violent and civil disobedience actions were inspired by Gandhi&#8217;s methods.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Supremus</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15411</link> <dc:creator>Supremus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:38:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15411</guid> <description>Well, I have no intentions of losing my job by posting controversial statements and make dos, but I am pretty u know where I am leading to.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have no intentions of losing my job by posting controversial statements and make dos, but I am pretty u know where I am leading to.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrix</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15401</link> <dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15401</guid> <description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15360&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Supremus&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;m sure they would have. And I don&#039;t think it would have gotten the response you expected but then you never know. And feel free to spout any controversial ideas. Whom are you afraid of? :)
@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15362&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vivek&lt;/a&gt;: I admit it might be a pre-emptive lecture but given the past experiences, I wouldn&#039;t fault Salil for expecting such an attack. Mostly I think such protests are more political rather than social or cultural. But I disagree about not wanting to lecture. It may be perceived as a lecture but then rants against societal norms always have been. You&#039;ll not see attitudes change unless people start &#039;lecturing&#039;. You say social values take time to change. Maybe but when they do change, it is always the results of constant &#039;lecturing&#039; which leads to a triggering point when such a change occurs. Change in social values, IMO, have not really been changed gradually but instead needed a flashpoint. Eg. U.S. Civil War, Civil Rights Movement, Suffrage, India&#039;s unaccountability problem, etc.
@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15398&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dinesh&lt;/a&gt;: People always get angry when you show them the other perspective. Making them aware of something that they know exist but refuse to acknowledge always makes things dicey. But then that&#039;s where a healthy debate comes into the picture.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a
href="#comment-15360" rel="nofollow">Supremus</a>: I&#8217;m sure they would have. And I don&#8217;t think it would have gotten the response you expected but then you never know. And feel free to spout any controversial ideas. Whom are you afraid of? :)</p><p>@<a
href="#comment-15362" rel="nofollow">Vivek</a>: I admit it might be a pre-emptive lecture but given the past experiences, I wouldn&#8217;t fault Salil for expecting such an attack. Mostly I think such protests are more political rather than social or cultural. But I disagree about not wanting to lecture. It may be perceived as a lecture but then rants against societal norms always have been. You&#8217;ll not see attitudes change unless people start &#8216;lecturing&#8217;. You say social values take time to change. Maybe but when they do change, it is always the results of constant &#8216;lecturing&#8217; which leads to a triggering point when such a change occurs. Change in social values, IMO, have not really been changed gradually but instead needed a flashpoint. Eg. U.S. Civil War, Civil Rights Movement, Suffrage, India&#8217;s unaccountability problem, etc.</p><p>@<a
href="#comment-15398" rel="nofollow">Dinesh</a>: People always get angry when you show them the other perspective. Making them aware of something that they know exist but refuse to acknowledge always makes things dicey. But then that&#8217;s where a healthy debate comes into the picture.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dinesh</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15398</link> <dc:creator>Dinesh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:13:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15398</guid> <description>The problem is people see only the popular side of a personality, that Gandhi is non violent and truthful. But he could have had an other side and People refuse to see that and I am not saying that you should see the other side and term Gandhi as bad either. What people should know is that it only took a normal human being to come out of what he had done and turn into an extraordinary soul. So when Gandhi or any popular person is portrayed in a different way people get angry over it because they are not used to seeing that person in that way.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is people see only the popular side of a personality, that Gandhi is non violent and truthful. But he could have had an other side and People refuse to see that and I am not saying that you should see the other side and term Gandhi as bad either. What people should know is that it only took a normal human being to come out of what he had done and turn into an extraordinary soul. So when Gandhi or any popular person is portrayed in a different way people get angry over it because they are not used to seeing that person in that way.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Vivek</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15362</link> <dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:27:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15362</guid> <description>I am not very sure about my feelings for that article, to be honest. The ads have neither been published, nor been criticized by any Gandhi-supporters, in India so far (AFAIK). So, it reads like an unnecessary lecture to me. One can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;presume&lt;/i&gt; that offense will be taken and then proceed to lecture why it shouldn&#039;t be so. And if 37 people in India do take offense at it, they deserve to be ignored rather than lectured.
Social values take time to change. And in India, they are changing. In the process, the less lecturing is involved, the better it is for this process. People don&#039;t like being lectured, or shown their faults.
Such lectures would be appropriate if India was really going down the competitive intolerance path. However, IMO, the increased number of offense-taking instances is essentially a reflection of the growth of media (and sometimes, even provocation by the media) and not a true reflection of the Indian society. In non-media evidence of the Indian social values (which is to say &#039;look around&#039;), you would find that Indians are far more liberal about these things than they used to be. So yes, while you are more likely to find (in the media) small-town lawyers filing cases against the Mallika Sherawats and the Rakhi Sawants, you are far less likely to find any genuine support for such lawyers - either in the public, or in the courts.
And when has offense ever been about logic or detailed analysis of the type &quot;what would Gandhi do?&quot;? It is about sensibilities, which are as logical as people - which is to say, not at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not very sure about my feelings for that article, to be honest. The ads have neither been published, nor been criticized by any Gandhi-supporters, in India so far (AFAIK). So, it reads like an unnecessary lecture to me. One can&#8217;t <i>presume</i> that offense will be taken and then proceed to lecture why it shouldn&#8217;t be so. And if 37 people in India do take offense at it, they deserve to be ignored rather than lectured.</p><p>Social values take time to change. And in India, they are changing. In the process, the less lecturing is involved, the better it is for this process. People don&#8217;t like being lectured, or shown their faults.</p><p>Such lectures would be appropriate if India was really going down the competitive intolerance path. However, IMO, the increased number of offense-taking instances is essentially a reflection of the growth of media (and sometimes, even provocation by the media) and not a true reflection of the Indian society. In non-media evidence of the Indian social values (which is to say &#8216;look around&#8217;), you would find that Indians are far more liberal about these things than they used to be. So yes, while you are more likely to find (in the media) small-town lawyers filing cases against the Mallika Sherawats and the Rakhi Sawants, you are far less likely to find any genuine support for such lawyers &#8211; either in the public, or in the courts.</p><p>And when has offense ever been about logic or detailed analysis of the type &#8220;what would Gandhi do?&#8221;? It is about sensibilities, which are as logical as people &#8211; which is to say, not at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Supremus</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15360</link> <dc:creator>Supremus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15360</guid> <description>Have they done anything with Martin Luther King yet? I&#039;d like to see some ;) - I wonder how it would have been put. I do have some ideas, well, which are, ahem pretty controversial to share.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have they done anything with Martin Luther King yet? I&#8217;d like to see some ;) &#8211; I wonder how it would have been put. I do have some ideas, well, which are, ahem pretty controversial to share.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrix</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15359</link> <dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:22:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15359</guid> <description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15358&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amit&lt;/a&gt;: True. And agree about Obama as well. But at least half of the Democratic party didn&#039;t. Palin supporters who hadn&#039;t heard of her couple of weeks back won&#039;t change their opinion after all the new things that are getting uncovered now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a
href="#comment-15358" rel="nofollow">Amit</a>: True. And agree about Obama as well. But at least half of the Democratic party didn&#8217;t. Palin supporters who hadn&#8217;t heard of her couple of weeks back won&#8217;t change their opinion after all the new things that are getting uncovered now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Amit</title><link>http://www.ipatrix.com/2742/gandhi-not-god/#comment-15358</link> <dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:56:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ipatrix.com/?p=2742#comment-15358</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;Worshiping our leaders to a point of blind faith is the hallmark of Indian politics&lt;/i&gt;
I think it&#039;s a global phenomenon not limited to Indian politics alone - Mao, Lenin, Thatcher, Churchill, Ho Chi Minh, Guevara, JFK, Reagan, Castro.....I could go on. :)
Along with Palin, I&#039;d also add Obama. ;)
Agreed with your points about the picture - it&#039;s brilliantly done!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Worshiping our leaders to a point of blind faith is the hallmark of Indian politics</i></p><p>I think it&#8217;s a global phenomenon not limited to Indian politics alone &#8211; Mao, Lenin, Thatcher, Churchill, Ho Chi Minh, Guevara, JFK, Reagan, Castro&#8230;..I could go on. :)</p><p>Along with Palin, I&#8217;d also add Obama. ;)</p><p>Agreed with your points about the picture &#8211; it&#8217;s brilliantly done!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
