Modesty or self-praise? The choice is already made

For context, Maxdavinci was talking about the Asus Transformer Prime tablet that he considers a thing of beauty. But this post isn’t about the Apple-Android fights or maybe not directly. What he said reminded me of one thing I have learnt in America, that is, if you don’t consider yourself good then no one else will. Indians (or rather Asians) have a sense of modesty wherein we try to downplay our achievements or capabilities lest we are considered arrogant. But often in graduate school and professional life here in the U.S., I have seen Americans be extremely confident and at times boastful of their abilities. No American will ever admit that he or she can’t do anything; they’ll beat around the bush and offer external influences beyond their control as excuses but never admit personal failings as a reason for not getting the job done. This has its pros and cons. And someone who often doesn’t get the job done will often be known as such soon by their colleagues. But more often than not, every little achievement is embellished and made out to be like the next best thing since sliced bread. I have never seen any American colleague say that, oh! That thing you asked me to do was no big deal. I have seen people tell me that they have worked over the weekend for something that I know took them less than an hour. I guess the more you make it seem like a arduous task, the more you get appreciated. If an Indian even remotely self-promotes, he is mocked and hated (Ask Kiruba).

This has a tangential angle to parenting in the U.S. too. No matter how much of a brat someone’s kid is, you will never see a parent say that his kid is no good (not always a good thing). If not effusive praise then they’ll at least not saying anything negative about their kid. Indians do say that, ‘humara bachha ton bahut shararthi hai’ even if he really is not. This is probably done for the ‘nazaar na lagge‘ reason. Indian parents are more likely to criticize their kids than openly praise their kids. Personally, we are trying to break from that habit and if not overtly praise him, we have vowed not to say anything negative about our kid in public.

So getting back to the Apple and Asus thing, perhaps Asus being the nice old Asian company is not ingrained with the, as MaxDavinci says, ‘self-dabba’ whereas for Apple as an American company, it comes natural.



  • Santosh

    Another key difference between Indians and Americans: Americans will go overboard ripping their parents and other family members, whereas Indians will go overboard trying not to say anything bad about their parents, even if they have the biggest assholes for parents

    • http://www.ipatrix.com Patrix

      Haha! True. I guess it comes from being tolerated. Some kids, like people, will always be assholes. Ever notice how on American Idol, a bad singer will say, but my family said, I sing wonderfully? 

      But not saying anything bad about your parents in India can be quite stifling for some. I have seen people defend their parents even when they clearly know they’ve been acting like you say, assholes.

  • http://twitter.com/raytida R

    “I have seen people tell me that they have worked over the weekend for something that I know took them less than an hour.”

    Hmm… not sure if that’s something only Americans do well. I think desis are pretty good at finding shortcuts and embellishment to show they’ve done a lot more at least in the workplace — especially when they know it might get them up the ladder quicker.

    • http://www.ipatrix.com Patrix

      I guess some desis learn quicker than others :)

      • http://twitter.com/raytida R

        Wasn’t referring to ‘some’. It’s been the norm from my observation.

        • http://www.ipatrix.com Patrix

          Like I mentioned to Manu, perhaps it is the tech industry where you encounter more desis than in our field. What I described was according to my experiences.

  • http://www.manu-j.com/blog/ Manu J

    ” No American will ever admit that he or she can’t do anything; they’ll
    beat around the bush and offer external influences beyond their control
    as excuses but never admit personal failings as a reason for not getting
    the job done”

    Completely goes against my experience. Maybe it is the tech industry. One of the biggest complaints I have heard about Indians from Americans are that Indians never say No or that they didn’t understand. They say “yes.. yes .. yes” and then don’t deliver  :)

    • http://twitter.com/runwithitalot runwithit

      My experience agrees with this, but I wouldn’t say that is the norm. I feel that tendency is present in both the populations and seems to be more related to individual habits, procrastination etc.

      This is unrelated but another difference I’ve found is the perception of one’s high school days among Americans and Indians. Most Americans recall their high school days as something of a traumatic period. Whereas as most Indians have fond memories of school days.

    • http://www.ipatrix.com Patrix

      Perhaps it is the tech industry because my field is mostly Americans and desis are rare so what I described mostly applied to Americans. Desis are the conscientious ones and the ones who do work without much fuss or praise.