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		<title>By: anticonsup</title>
		<link>http://www.ipatrix.com/michael-moore-cnn-sicko/comment-page-1/#comment-11272</link>
		<dc:creator>anticonsup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top 10 Reasons why CNN is better than the BBC World Service:

10) We can afford James Earl Jones to read our tagline.  So there BBC!!

9) Graphics!  You call those graphics!!  Heck, we spend more on our graphics than you spend on your whole show!!!  Shows what you get when you allow commercials to run half the time.

8) Larry King - I learn so much from that man!

7) BBC files stories from Mauritius and Mali and stupid countries like that that don't even exist.  

6) No crane shots in studio.

5) Who cares about the climate in Cambodia.  Do they even *have* climate in Cambodia?

4) I like commercials.  They're almost as slick as the news itself!!

3) The BBC calls people "communist" or "socialist" like it's some kind of sociopolitical viewpoint, instead of the evil mark of the beast we all know it to be.  Who writes the copy at the BBC anyhow?  Might it be... SATAN!!!

2) They talk too much.  It hurts my head.  I like my news short and snappy!

1) SHE IS TOO NEWS!!!  AND HER CHIHUAHUA TOO!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top 10 Reasons why CNN is better than the BBC World Service:</p>
<p>10) We can afford James Earl Jones to read our tagline.  So there BBC!!</p>
<p>9) Graphics!  You call those graphics!!  Heck, we spend more on our graphics than you spend on your whole show!!!  Shows what you get when you allow commercials to run half the time.</p>
<p>8) Larry King - I learn so much from that man!</p>
<p>7) BBC files stories from Mauritius and Mali and stupid countries like that that don&#8217;t even exist.  </p>
<p>6) No crane shots in studio.</p>
<p>5) Who cares about the climate in Cambodia.  Do they even *have* climate in Cambodia?</p>
<p>4) I like commercials.  They&#8217;re almost as slick as the news itself!!</p>
<p>3) The BBC calls people &#8220;communist&#8221; or &#8220;socialist&#8221; like it&#8217;s some kind of sociopolitical viewpoint, instead of the evil mark of the beast we all know it to be.  Who writes the copy at the BBC anyhow?  Might it be&#8230; SATAN!!!</p>
<p>2) They talk too much.  It hurts my head.  I like my news short and snappy!</p>
<p>1) SHE IS TOO NEWS!!!  AND HER CHIHUAHUA TOO!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Anti&lt;/strong&gt;, I guess we have to agree to disagree. And am not sure Moore is trying to offer a solution but in fact, just highlight the state of health care that is driven entirely by profit. I don't see making profit as a bad thing but as I mentioned in my post, this country would have to make a moral judgment on whether it considers health care as a inalienable right just as education.

&lt;strong&gt;Confused&lt;/strong&gt;, yup! I never said anything about higher education. But the U.S. doesn't offer primary health care for free either, right? Read Tim Harford's solution where he emphasizes on insurance for expensive and infrequent procedures. 

&lt;strong&gt;Supremus&lt;/strong&gt;, of course! Moore isn't the gold standard in political thought or even progressive politics but he certainly knows how to rile up the (white) elephant in the room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Anti</strong>, I guess we have to agree to disagree. And am not sure Moore is trying to offer a solution but in fact, just highlight the state of health care that is driven entirely by profit. I don&#8217;t see making profit as a bad thing but as I mentioned in my post, this country would have to make a moral judgment on whether it considers health care as a inalienable right just as education.</p>
<p><strong>Confused</strong>, yup! I never said anything about higher education. But the U.S. doesn&#8217;t offer primary health care for free either, right? Read Tim Harford&#8217;s solution where he emphasizes on insurance for expensive and infrequent procedures. </p>
<p><strong>Supremus</strong>, of course! Moore isn&#8217;t the gold standard in political thought or even progressive politics but he certainly knows how to rile up the (white) elephant in the room.</p>
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		<title>By: Supremus</title>
		<link>http://www.ipatrix.com/michael-moore-cnn-sicko/comment-page-1/#comment-11256</link>
		<dc:creator>Supremus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Healthcare system in this country is a total mess. It really did not require a documentary to bring out its pitfalls. Its pretty evident, really :D. So I dont really know what CNN was trying to get at hehe.

I like Moore, though I had watched one of his TV episodes of yester years before he became a full time movie documentary maker, and he had an episode about India which had me appalled. Since then I take his views with a grain of salt, but they are fun nevertheless :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Healthcare system in this country is a total mess. It really did not require a documentary to bring out its pitfalls. Its pretty evident, really :D. So I dont really know what CNN was trying to get at hehe.</p>
<p>I like Moore, though I had watched one of his TV episodes of yester years before he became a full time movie documentary maker, and he had an episode about India which had me appalled. Since then I take his views with a grain of salt, but they are fun nevertheless :)</p>
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		<title>By: confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;, why isn’t public education called ’socialized education’ and ridiculed in Presidential debate?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We are talking of primary education here, and not college education. That's an important distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>, why isn’t public education called ’socialized education’ and ridiculed in Presidential debate?</p></blockquote>
<p>We are talking of primary education here, and not college education. That&#8217;s an important distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: anantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>anantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrix: I do agree that CNN's ratings driven and all that, but I still think that in this case, Moore is cleverly trying to pass a tattered rag full of holes as a pashmina shawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrix: I do agree that CNN&#8217;s ratings driven and all that, but I still think that in this case, Moore is cleverly trying to pass a tattered rag full of holes as a pashmina shawl.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Anti&lt;/strong&gt;, I had read through the links earlier but still lean toward Moore. I don't necessarily advocate his style of anecdotal evidence-based documentaries but he raises important issues that CNN never addresses. Instead they get bogged down in trivial issues like, the difference isn't much, etc. 

The comparisons with Cuba frankly are redundant as they are ranked close to each other. The U.S should be compared with other developed nations and when we do so, they fall woefully short. In the end, CNN and Moore end up with similar conclusions that health care in the U.S. sucks; only difference being few numbers here and there. 

Talking about investigative reporting, CNN or any other network could have easily done Moore's job i.e. if they wanted to but I'll ascribe this to ratings-driven reporting that ends up with Paris on an exclusive with Larry King. 

&lt;strong&gt;Ashutosh&lt;/strong&gt;, isn't it surprising that the administration that swears by fiscal conservatism now heads up the biggest government and the largest deficit? To make it worse, whatever government they are heading isn't half as efficient and functionary as it was earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Anti</strong>, I had read through the links earlier but still lean toward Moore. I don&#8217;t necessarily advocate his style of anecdotal evidence-based documentaries but he raises important issues that CNN never addresses. Instead they get bogged down in trivial issues like, the difference isn&#8217;t much, etc. </p>
<p>The comparisons with Cuba frankly are redundant as they are ranked close to each other. The U.S should be compared with other developed nations and when we do so, they fall woefully short. In the end, CNN and Moore end up with similar conclusions that health care in the U.S. sucks; only difference being few numbers here and there. </p>
<p>Talking about investigative reporting, CNN or any other network could have easily done Moore&#8217;s job i.e. if they wanted to but I&#8217;ll ascribe this to ratings-driven reporting that ends up with Paris on an exclusive with Larry King. </p>
<p><strong>Ashutosh</strong>, isn&#8217;t it surprising that the administration that swears by fiscal conservatism now heads up the biggest government and the largest deficit? To make it worse, whatever government they are heading isn&#8217;t half as efficient and functionary as it was earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashutosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashutosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course there's another main reason why the "argument from taxes" does not make sense (Larry King dismissed it by saying "That's a different issue"...unfortunately it's related) and that's the fact that all the taxes are being spent on money-sucking inanities like the Iraq war. So of course there's not going to be enough money for health care. People like Sanjay Gupta who rightly say that health care in countries like France is not "free" should realise that in those countries, taxes are actually spent on health care.
And CNN and especially Larry King have truly lost it...did you see the edition a couple of days ago where he invited three "experts" for the "60th anniversary" of the "UFO government coverup" in Roswell, NM?? While interviewing Paris Hilton is a big waste of time, this is plain weird. O the hilarity, and then the depression. Count me into th e gang of CNN-dissenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there&#8217;s another main reason why the &#8220;argument from taxes&#8221; does not make sense (Larry King dismissed it by saying &#8220;That&#8217;s a different issue&#8221;&#8230;unfortunately it&#8217;s related) and that&#8217;s the fact that all the taxes are being spent on money-sucking inanities like the Iraq war. So of course there&#8217;s not going to be enough money for health care. People like Sanjay Gupta who rightly say that health care in countries like France is not &#8220;free&#8221; should realise that in those countries, taxes are actually spent on health care.<br />
And CNN and especially Larry King have truly lost it&#8230;did you see the edition a couple of days ago where he invited three &#8220;experts&#8221; for the &#8220;60th anniversary&#8221; of the &#8220;UFO government coverup&#8221; in Roswell, NM?? While interviewing Paris Hilton is a big waste of time, this is plain weird. O the hilarity, and then the depression. Count me into th e gang of CNN-dissenters.</p>
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		<title>By: anantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>anantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the &lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/15/moore.gupta/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;CNN's response to Moore&lt;/a&gt;. I think CNN's being logical in asking these questions.

This is the &lt;a href="http://www.moorewatch.com/index.php/weblog/comments/jim_kenefick_and_moorewatch_as_presented_by_michael_moore_in_sicko/" rel="nofollow"&gt;second link&lt;/a&gt; that I promised. 

It was not too much trouble after all :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/15/moore.gupta/index.html" rel="nofollow">CNN&#8217;s response to Moore</a>. I think CNN&#8217;s being logical in asking these questions.</p>
<p>This is the <a href="http://www.moorewatch.com/index.php/weblog/comments/jim_kenefick_and_moorewatch_as_presented_by_michael_moore_in_sicko/" rel="nofollow">second link</a> that I promised. </p>
<p>It was not too much trouble after all :)</p>
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		<title>By: anantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>anantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrix: I think I read CNN's side of the story and I have to lean towards them. I felt indignant after seeing his other movies, but this one seems very fishy even to the liberal me.

Boing Boing and/or /. had a post up where they linked to CNN's official statement regarding their fracas with Moore. Apparently they did some fact checking of their own and found that when Moore does his comparisons, he chooses numbers from different years to illustrate his differences.

Their contention is that Moore used US numbers from a report from one year to compare it with numbers for Cuba from a different year. CNN agrees that the there is still a difference if the same year was considered, but the difference is much more substantial in Moore's "study" because of the different years chosen. 

Also today's there was another link that fisked Moore's claim that he donated money anonymously (so why crow about it now) to keep his worst critic's website running when the said critic was facing the choice of running that anti-Moore website or using the money to treat his wife's cancer. Apparently not only did Moore donate money two months after the fact that the critic was having fiscal issues, but that the hate site's readers had already pooled in money to keep it running. Apparently the shortage of money was because the web host's owner had cheated all his customers and the guy had to move to another host and start afresh with a fresh account.

I will post relevant links this evening after I get my hands on them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrix: I think I read CNN&#8217;s side of the story and I have to lean towards them. I felt indignant after seeing his other movies, but this one seems very fishy even to the liberal me.</p>
<p>Boing Boing and/or /. had a post up where they linked to CNN&#8217;s official statement regarding their fracas with Moore. Apparently they did some fact checking of their own and found that when Moore does his comparisons, he chooses numbers from different years to illustrate his differences.</p>
<p>Their contention is that Moore used US numbers from a report from one year to compare it with numbers for Cuba from a different year. CNN agrees that the there is still a difference if the same year was considered, but the difference is much more substantial in Moore&#8217;s &#8220;study&#8221; because of the different years chosen. </p>
<p>Also today&#8217;s there was another link that fisked Moore&#8217;s claim that he donated money anonymously (so why crow about it now) to keep his worst critic&#8217;s website running when the said critic was facing the choice of running that anti-Moore website or using the money to treat his wife&#8217;s cancer. Apparently not only did Moore donate money two months after the fact that the critic was having fiscal issues, but that the hate site&#8217;s readers had already pooled in money to keep it running. Apparently the shortage of money was because the web host&#8217;s owner had cheated all his customers and the guy had to move to another host and start afresh with a fresh account.</p>
<p>I will post relevant links this evening after I get my hands on them again.</p>
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